Every finitely presented group embeds in by . This direct product of groups is finitely presented: combine finite presentations of the factors and add the finitely many cross-commutation relations between their generators. Projection onto gives a nontrivial finite quotient of a group.
Part (c) shows that every finitely presented group embeds in a finitely presented group with no nontrivial finite quotients of a group. Consequently this property also has no possible forbidden witness . ThereforeBoth properties have positive witnesses, for example and the trivial group respectively. It is the required embedding obstruction that fails in each case.
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