Larry Pages's older brother.
It is hard to find information on this little bugger! Not a single photo online!
Carl Jr. is mentioned in a few places in the book The Google Story. The full name "Carl Victor Page Jr." is never given in that source, only "Carl Page Jr." is used. These crazy Anglo-Saxons and their semi-optional middle names!
The Google Story does not cite its sources, but it likely got much of its insider information through interviews, e.g. Chapter 2. "When Larry Met Sergey":which suggests the authors actually interviewed Carl Jr., since interviews with Carl Jr. cannot be found anywhere else on the Internet. It would be interesting to know more how they got that level of access.
Chapter 2 mentions that Carl Jr. is nine years older than Larry. Therefore, he must have been born in 1963 or 1964. It also states that Carl studied at the University of Michigan, like his father and like Larry would also do later on:Their father was a professor at the Michigan State University, which is a different university from the University of Michigan, and not in the same city, so by breaks they mean term breaks.
He also enjoyed helping Carl Jr. - who was nine years older - with his college computer homework when Carl came home from the University of Michigan during breaks.
Chapter 2 also mentions that he was working in Silicon Valley by the time their father died in 1996:
Despite his grief [for the death of their father at the early age of 58], Larry remained enrolled at Stanford. It helped that his older brother, Carl Jr., lived and worked in Silicon Valley. They had each other, so Larry wasn't left to bear the loss alone, and the two spent time together, fondly recalling their dad and reflecting on their childhood memories.
In 1997, Carl co-founded the mailing list management website eGroups together with Scott Hassan, programmer of an early version of Google when he was a research assistant at Stanford University. Carl and Scott presumably met through Larry, but we don't have a source. The company was sold to Yahoo! in 2000. The Google Story Chapter 8. "A Trickle" mentions:Carl is listed as a co-founder in the SEC filing: www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1105102/0000950149-00-000584.txt as "Carl Page". He does not appear on the 5% stockholders however, poor Carl.
Google's deal with Yahoo!] had special significance for Larry Page, since his brother, Carl Jr., also was in serious negotiations with Yahoo! over a major business transaction. The following day, June 27, Yahoo announced plans to buy eGroups, a technology firm that Carl Page had co-founded, for $413 million.
In 2006, he brought a company he founded called "Handheld Entertainment" public through a reverse merger with a shell company: archive.nytimes.com/dealbook.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/brother-of-google-co-founder-uses-shell-company-for-handheld-start-up/. "Handheld Entertainment" made an iPod competitor apparently. SEC filing: www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1309710/000095013606009480/file1.htm.
September 27, 2023 marked Google's 25 th aniversary and the page cirosantilli.com/carl-victor-page-jr had a small surge of views according to Google Analytics. On that day, this page was one of the top Google search results for "Carl Victor Page, Jr."[ref]. Wikipedia also had a large bump in searches for "Larry Page" on the same day: pageviews.wmcloud.org/?project=en.wikipedia.org&platform=all-access&agent=user&redirects=0&start=2023-09-11&end=2023-10-01&pages=Cat|Dog|Larry_Page which must be the root cause, Larry actually managed to beat "Cat" and "Dog" on that day.
Announcements and updates by self:
- 2023-06-10: initial announcements
- twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1667532991315230720. Follow up when more domains were found: twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1717445686214504830
- www.reddit.com/r/OSINT/comments/146185r/i_found_16_new_cia_covert_communication_websites/. Marked as SPAM 5 by mods days later. After reaching 92 votes, a very positive reply for that niche sub, and being obviously on topic. Weird. Anyways, did its job and likely kicked off hackernews.
- www.facebook.com/cirosantilli/posts/pfbid04KvRbEXghJakcD4AQz4379L5oVjPZ6vrBF1Eak3p81VnqRSXuXdvvYonCWPhGfQXl
- 2023-10-26 twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1717445686214504830: announcement by self after finding 75 more sites
- Shared by others soo after:
- www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/14705gp/cia_2010_covert_communication_websites/ failed attempt with bad link unfortunately
- 2024-01-15: twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1747742453778559165 Oleg Shakirov's findings
- 2024-01-23: mastodon.social/@cirosantilli/111807480628392615 ipinf.ru gives 4 hits and 4 new suspects, announced at:
- 2024-09 Aratu Week 2024 Talk by Ciro Santilli: My Best Random Projects
- 2025-03-13: 44 new domains found: Section "44 new CIA websites"
- 2025-04-14: cqcounter screenshots used to confirm many new hits: 60 new CIA website screenshots discovered on CQ Counter
Pings by self:
- 2025-03-13:
- x.com/cirosantilli/status/1900278353065894324 pings x.com/JackRhysider Jack Rhysider, host of the Darkent Diaries podcast
- x.com/cirosantilli/status/1900828210578727276 pings x.com/JennaMC_Laugh Jenna McLaughlin and x.com/zachsdorfman Zach Dorfman, authors of the 2018 Yahoo articles
- 2025-03-31 going to find random interested people on Twitter:
- 2025-05-05:
- inteltoday.org/2021/07/31/us-national-whistleblower-day-july-30-2021-i-john-reidy-declare-cia-debacle-in-iran-china/#comment-46375 pings the author Dr. Ludwig De Braeckeleer. Besides his interest in intelligence, the dude actually also won a Breakthrough Prize in Physics, holy fuck it's mind boggling.
- x.com/cirosantilli/status/1919391488422662245 pings x.com/marisaataylor Marisa Taylor, author of the 2014, McClathy DC article
- x.com/cirosantilli/status/1919859345593880812 and x.com/cirosantilli/status/1919846838850499002 pings x.com/cirosantilli/status/1919859345593880812 Bill Marczak and x.com/thezedwards Zach Edwards, technical analysts for the Reuters article
- x.com/cirosantilli/status/1919860643408007644 pings x.com/joel_schectman Joel Schectman and x.com/bozorgmehr Bozorgmehr Sharafedin authors of the Reuters article
- x.com/cirosantilli/status/1919870831758365113 pings x.com/zachsdorfman Zach Dorfman (protected account) author of the Foreign Policy article
- x.com/cirosantilli/status/1920073080363241727 pings x.com/markmazzettinyt Mark Mazzetti, x.com/nytmike Michael S. Schmidt and x.com/mattapuzzo Matt Apuzzo authors of the 2017 New York Times article. Could not find a Twitter for the fourth author Adam Goldman.
Reactions by others:
- 2023-06-19: www.reddit.com/r/numberstations/comments/14dexiu/after_numbers_stations_vanished/ (30 points) off topic on that sub, but thankfully was not deleted, interesting sub topic
- 2023-10-26: Google Analytics backlink from lms.fh-wedel.de/ path unknown. Some shitty German university: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fachhochschule_Wedel_University_of_Applied_Sciences LMS stands for Learning management system, apparently a Moodle instance. Maybe they have some Open educational resources, but all in German so pointless
- Second wave:
- 2023-12-01: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38492304 (65 points). Second submission but pointing to OurBigBook.com rather than cirosantilli.com: ourbigbook.com/cirosantilli/cia-2010-covert-communication-websites We take those. Reached only 65 points as of January 2024.
- 2023-12-02: buttondown.email/grugq/archive/december-2-2023/. "grugq" is the handle of a zero day dealer whose received some scrutiny in 2012 after a Forbes protile was written about him: archive.ph/7mUG5. He comments:presumably referring to DNS Census 2013.
I don’t think anyone anticipated that databases leaked by hackers would enable OSINT researchers to conduct counterintelligence investigations that rival the state security services.
- 2024-01-12: twitter.com/jeremy_wokka/status/1745657801584656564 (40k followers, mid of thread)
- 2025-04-02: www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia/comments/1kd7rzo/comment/mqoocu7/?context=3 user Gilda1234_ mentions this project in a comment to "Between 2010 and 2012, China identified and killed at least 30 CIA informants in the country" by idlikebab
Notable reactions to the websites themselves
- www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xrgua4/the_cia_used_a_message_board_on_a_fake_soccer/ "The CIA used a message board on a fake soccer website called "Iraniangoals.com" to communicate with Iranian spies, dozens of whom were arrested after the website was discovered." by user Carlos-Dangerzone (2022-09-29)The fact that there were
Cool data embedded in the Bitcoin blockchain Incoming links Updated 2025-05-09 +Created 1970-01-01
By Ciro Santilli:
- 2021-04-13 twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1382067162492366854: main initial announcement on Twitter. twitter.com/mikko, who has 209.9K followers and a Wikipedia page: Mikko Hypponen hearted the tweet s2
- 2023-01-21 twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1749172304259535063: improvements to the Prayer wars
- 2024-02-07 twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1755378931446739373: large-ish update with new items and improved organization
- 2024-03-31 twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1774531934305071295: binwalk discoveries, start poking a bit into ordinal ruleset inscriptions
- 2024-04-04 twitter.com/cirosantilli/status/1775805941885108392: largest text ordinal inscription
By others:
- 2021-04-15 news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26801067 (96 points) on Hacker News. Reached position 16 at one point: archive.ph/L0Fte and led to about 5k views total. Ah, Ciro could watch that Google Analytics realtime view go bling all day long. Narcissism is a bitch.
- 2021 cryptonewmedia.press/tankman-image-on-bitcoin-blockchain/ by user igadjeed
- 2022-01-23 news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30050479 "Abuse and Harassment on the Blockchain", comment-mid thread
- 2022-01-24 www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/sbw0se/when_i_heard_about_nfts_i_thought_they_were/hu2uk8g "When I heard about NFTs, I thought they were stupid, but then I watched a video explaining how they work, it really changed my perspective", comment mid-thread
- 2023-02 lots of Twitter backlinks as a result of ordinal ruleset inscriptions:
- 2023-02-03
Video 1. Source. Features Marijuana plant and Rickrolling sections. He seems to be a finance guru. - 2023-02-07 twitter.com/privateid_ntity/status/1622814063331004421
- 2024-01-18 twitter.com/pete_rizzo_/status/1748049913286447355 by Rizzo, The Bitcoin Historian (81k followers, mid-thread)
- 2024-12-29: x.com/lopp/status/1873453363523932630 by Jameson Lopp (492k subscribers)
- ? cloudhiker.net/ A hand curated and categorized list of interesting links by Kevin Woblick. Only allows users to visit a random one per category, so we can't get proof of backlink, this was noticed through Google Analytics.
- 2025-03-18 Bitcoin Burn Addresses: Unveiling the Permanent Losses and Their Underlying Causes
The mention of this project is brief:Announced at:Ciro Santilli maintains a Web page listing arbitrary data embedded in the Bitcoin blockchain. This is the most complete and up-to-date list of arbitrary data we are aware of. However, he does not specifically focus on burn addresses, but on the stored contents.
- 2025-03-28 x.com/punk3606/status/1905295370227155344 quick "this was already discovered" mention on thread x.com/I____felix____I/status/1905291048798106061 where a dude rediscovers Figure "Warren Buffet"